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One of the reasons I chose to buy my Forte5 sx was that I kept reading about people comparing it to the VW GTI.

Having previously owned an MK6 GTI and missing it terribly I test drove the Forte several times before I decided to get one.

For the sake of amusement I decided to do a little comparison for anyone that is interested.

Exterior Aesthetics - TIE
This one is a tough one for me. But since beauty lies in the eye of the beholder who really cares.
I recieved a ton of complements on the GTI's stock rims but I wasn't personally a huge fan of them. But the situation is almost identical with the Forte.
Both have faux difusers in the rear and dual exhaust.
I do feel like the Forte's front end does remind me a bit of a Prius. That's not a bad thing exactly. Toyota has some pretty decent looking fronts to their cars now. But I just don't like that it reminds me of it.
So I guess I'll leave it at this, I like the GTI's front end better and the Forte's rear end. Overall for looks I would choose the GTI because its a bit more conservative looking.

Interior Aesthetics - TIE
While my GTI had plaid seats which I loved the Forte (especially with the luxury package) has pretty attractive seats too.
I greatly prefer the GTI's flat bottom steering wheel with red stitching.
But I love the way the Forte's interior is laid out with a slight bias towards the driver rather than the passenger. They don't need to be messing with my radio anyways ;)

Practicality - Forte
Both have rear seats the fold flat or nearly flat.
Both have a ton of space. I fit a washing machine in my GTI and expect I could in my Forte.
The GTI requires premium fuel and I averaged 29 mpg with it compared to 31 on regular with my Forte.
Plus the Forte initially cost far less and has a far better warranty.
The GTI also has a reputation for bad water pumps that VW and expensive repairs.

Handling and Steering- GTI
Ha. Don't even try.
Okay. The Forte isn't bad. I like it. But my GTI could be absolutely thrown into corners at near reckless speeds and handle it like it was nothing. It just went where you pointed and did what you wanted it to.
I do like the flex steer or whatever its called. I'm not sure why but it's just fun.
Also, at least initially, the Forte's ride was pretty harsh. It seems to have either broken in a bit or I just got used to it. Doesn't bother me anymore though.

Acceleration - GTI
This one would appear to be the easiest to answer since its the least speculative and up for personal opinion but I've gone ahead and overly complicated it.
0-60, 1/4 mile, the GTI obviously wins.
Once again, it handled acceleration without a sweat. You stepped on the gas and then said, "oh my, I'm already going 80. huh."
And now the complications, the Forte5 is quick. But it's real boon is the way that the power builds. There is some lag there so you can definitely feel the boost and I don't think that's a bad thing. The GTI felt like it had a v6. The Forte feels like a turbo motor and I like it. Kia probably didn't want the motor to feel like this but they better not engineer it out as is the trend right now. This is how turbo 4 cylinders should feel.
Of course the DSG in the GTI trumps all. So yeah. It'll be years before Kia/Hyundai can develop a transmission like that.
I got an opportunity to drive a Gallardo on an autocross course and couldn't believe how awful the transmission was compared to my VW's.
Oh, and the GTI with the DSG has launch control... mmmm.

Comfort - Forte
Ha. Don't even try... again.
Well, actually its kind of close.
In base form the GTI had heated seated and heated mirrors. The seats were also well bolstered and comfortable.
The Forte SX in it's base form doesn't quite match up. But with the luxury package watch out. Cooled seats. That's it. Who really cares about the heated rear seats. We all know that the cooled ones are whats important.
Otherwise for comfort I would give the GTI's seats a slight advantage in comfort but not enough of an edge to make up much ground.

Fun - Tie
Maybe this is where the part about how I like the engine characteristics of the Forte should go...
Performance wise the GTI has the edge. But it does everything so effortlessly that you have to push it a bit harder to get your heart beating. On a windy mountain road I would pick a GTI. But to live with everyday I'm not sure. I love driving my Forte and thinking, "this is fairly quick" and then mashing the gas and really feeling it build power. Also I love not checking my coolant levels once a week to see if my water pump is going out and when its low really feeling like the GTI is a big ol' fun sucker.

Upgradability - GTI
Seriously, this is not even a comparison.
With no other modifications except for possibly an intake there are GTI's running reliable tunes from very reputable companies making near (or in some cases over) 300 ft/lb torque.
Mod for mod the GTI will trample all over the Forte in this category.

Infotainment - GTI
They both have stereos and stuff that sound good. But when I played Pandora via Bluetooth on my GTI I got way more options on my screen.
Maybe that's because I ended up buying a base Forte SX rather than a premium package.


Final Words
The GTI is a better car. But its also more expensive to buy, operate, and maintain. It has a few known reliability issues that few reviewers write about and that ended up being why I sold mine.
Is "The Poor Man's GTI" an apted description for the Forte5 SX? Hmmm. Probably. It's not as solidly built. It doesn't do everything quite as well. But so far I haven't ran into anything that I thought it did poorly. This is comparing the king of hot hatches to a relative new comer that could just as well be compared to the Ford Focus SE.
The Forte is somewhat nostalgic of the origin of the hot hatch where the manufacture beefs up the performance without beefing up the price out of the reach of the normal consumer of the original car.

Now if Kia put in its 2.0 T-GDI motor, sorted out steering a slight bit, and maybe got a really snappy tune for the 7 speed DCT Hyundai is putting in the Veloster Turbo, now that would really give the GTI a run for its money.

In the end, as it stands now, if I were to lease I would get a GTI. If I were to purchase and plan to own for 100,000+ I would buy the Forte.
 

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I love both cars the same but don't like the price of the GTI and I don't like the repair costs. I have owned a few VW cars and I always had some kind of issue with them. My buddy has a 05 GTI and I can out run him with ease on power and cornering. Granted I am tuned and have a few more upgrades than he does but his suspension is all setup. Once you setup the suspension on the Forte and get way better tires then it will hold very well. I took mine to a autox track and was holding very well with others in my class and I was on stock suspension besides a torsion bar. I was even on stock tires lol.

The GTI is more of a performance car and the Forte is more geared for fun and practicality. If Kia does bring the 2.0T into the Forte then the GTI and FST would have some good competition. Great comparison since you owned the 2.0t GTI. For us being a little 1.6T we actually shock a lot of people lol. Get a tune on your 5 and you will be even more happy with it. Also if you are a m/t 2 step can be put into the tune and will make your lunching even harder
 

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I love both cars the same but don't like the price of the GTI and I don't like the repair costs. I have owned a few VW cars and I always had some kind of issue with them. My buddy has a 05 GTI and I can out run him with ease on power and cornering. Granted I am tuned and have a few more upgrades than he does but his suspension is all setup. Once you setup the suspension on the Forte and get way better tires then it will hold very well. I took mine to a autox track and was holding very well with others in my class and I was on stock suspension besides a torsion bar. I was even on stock tires lol.

The GTI is more of a performance car and the Forte is more geared for fun and practicality. If Kia does bring the 2.0T into the Forte then the GTI and FST would have some good competition. Great comparison since you owned the 2.0t GTI. For us being a little 1.6T we actually shock a lot of people lol. Get a tune on your 5 and you will be even more happy with it. Also if you are a m/t 2 step can be put into the tune and will make your lunching even harder
Thanks. I know the mk7 gti had a little more power but I couldn't find one near me for less than $10,000 more than my forte.

Yeah I was definitely suprised by my forte. It's a lot of fun. I think a new set of tires and some sort of bracing in the rear end would help a ton. With my gti I felt like the car pivoted around a very central axis. With my forte the back end doesn't seem to want to come around as much.

My forte is automatic. 4 door auto were my wife's main requirements. I wanted something fun that wasn't going to have issues. The forte seems to fit pretty well so far.
 

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Get that rear torsion bar and trunk brace. Also look at the 4 point lower chassis brace and strut bar. All are from our vendor evilla motorsports.

My Forte was my decision. I could have went for a srt-8 but wanted mpg and a fun car. I had to get auto because of my wife's health condition so that was a must.
 

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I'm planning on trying to put together a trunk brace soon.
I might get a rear torsion bar in the future.
I like keeping thing cheap and easily reversible. I've gone too deep down the rabbit hole that is car modding before. So now I tread lightly.
I've got a trunk brace, washable air filter, and possibly intake and intercooler piping as well as a camaro style MagnaFlow muffler on the radar.
 

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There is a trunk brace available already
 

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Where's the fun in that? :)
Plus I think I've got some metal laying around somewhere. So for the cost of cleaning up some scraps I can possibly make something I like.

Does the brace make a pretty good difference? The review I read I think was someone who did the torsion bar at the same time. I would think it would be more noticeable.
 

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Where's the fun in that? :)
Plus I think I've got some metal laying around somewhere. So for the cost of cleaning up some scraps I can possibly make something I like.

Does the brace make a pretty good difference? The review I read I think was someone who did the torsion bar at the same time. I would think it would be more noticeable.
I love fabbing stuff up also. It's a lot of fun! The trunk brace does help the car a little bit but the torsion bar will help the most. Mine makes the rear more planted and it goes where you want it. Now if we can get some good lowering springs and shocks for those that don't want full coilovers we would be good to go.
 

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One of the reasons I chose to buy my Forte5 sx was that I kept reading about people comparing it to the VW GTI.

Having previously owned an MK6 GTI and missing it terribly I test drove the Forte several times before I decided to get one.

For the sake of amusement I decided to do a little comparison for anyone that is interested.

Exterior Aesthetics - TIE
This one is a tough one for me. But since beauty lies in the eye of the beholder who really cares.
I recieved a ton of complements on the GTI's stock rims but I wasn't personally a huge fan of them. But the situation is almost identical with the Forte.
Both have faux difusers in the rear and dual exhaust.
I do feel like the Forte's front end does remind me a bit of a Prius. That's not a bad thing exactly. Toyota has some pretty decent looking fronts to their cars now. But I just don't like that it reminds me of it.
So I guess I'll leave it at this, I like the GTI's front end better and the Forte's rear end. Overall for looks I would choose the GTI because its a bit more conservative looking.

Interior Aesthetics - TIE
While my GTI had plaid seats which I loved the Forte (especially with the luxury package) has pretty attractive seats too.
I greatly prefer the GTI's flat bottom steering wheel with red stitching.
But I love the way the Forte's interior is laid out with a slight bias towards the driver rather than the passenger. They don't need to be messing with my radio anyways ;)

Practicality - Forte
Both have rear seats the fold flat or nearly flat.
Both have a ton of space. I fit a washing machine in my GTI and expect I could in my Forte.
The GTI requires premium fuel and I averaged 29 mpg with it compared to 31 on regular with my Forte.
Plus the Forte initially cost far less and has a far better warranty.
The GTI also has a reputation for bad water pumps that VW and expensive repairs.

Handling and Steering- GTI
Ha. Don't even try.
Okay. The Forte isn't bad. I like it. But my GTI could be absolutely thrown into corners at near reckless speeds and handle it like it was nothing. It just went where you pointed and did what you wanted it to.
I do like the flex steer or whatever its called. I'm not sure why but it's just fun.
Also, at least initially, the Forte's ride was pretty harsh. It seems to have either broken in a bit or I just got used to it. Doesn't bother me anymore though.

Acceleration - GTI
This one would appear to be the easiest to answer since its the least speculative and up for personal opinion but I've gone ahead and overly complicated it.
0-60, 1/4 mile, the GTI obviously wins.
Once again, it handled acceleration without a sweat. You stepped on the gas and then said, "oh my, I'm already going 80. huh."
And now the complications, the Forte5 is quick. But it's real boon is the way that the power builds. There is some lag there so you can definitely feel the boost and I don't think that's a bad thing. The GTI felt like it had a v6. The Forte feels like a turbo motor and I like it. Kia probably didn't want the motor to feel like this but they better not engineer it out as is the trend right now. This is how turbo 4 cylinders should feel.
Of course the DSG in the GTI trumps all. So yeah. It'll be years before Kia/Hyundai can develop a transmission like that.
I got an opportunity to drive a Gallardo on an autocross course and couldn't believe how awful the transmission was compared to my VW's.
Oh, and the GTI with the DSG has launch control... mmmm.

Comfort - Forte
Ha. Don't even try... again.
Well, actually its kind of close.
In base form the GTI had heated seated and heated mirrors. The seats were also well bolstered and comfortable.
The Forte SX in it's base form doesn't quite match up. But with the luxury package watch out. Cooled seats. That's it. Who really cares about the heated rear seats. We all know that the cooled ones are whats important.
Otherwise for comfort I would give the GTI's seats a slight advantage in comfort but not enough of an edge to make up much ground.

Fun - Tie
Maybe this is where the part about how I like the engine characteristics of the Forte should go...
Performance wise the GTI has the edge. But it does everything so effortlessly that you have to push it a bit harder to get your heart beating. On a windy mountain road I would pick a GTI. But to live with everyday I'm not sure. I love driving my Forte and thinking, "this is fairly quick" and then mashing the gas and really feeling it build power. Also I love not checking my coolant levels once a week to see if my water pump is going out and when its low really feeling like the GTI is a big ol' fun sucker.

Upgradability - GTI
Seriously, this is not even a comparison.
With no other modifications except for possibly an intake there are GTI's running reliable tunes from very reputable companies making near (or in some cases over) 300 ft/lb torque.
Mod for mod the GTI will trample all over the Forte in this category.

Infotainment - GTI
They both have stereos and stuff that sound good. But when I played Pandora via Bluetooth on my GTI I got way more options on my screen.
Maybe that's because I ended up buying a base Forte SX rather than a premium package.


Final Words
The GTI is a better car. But its also more expensive to buy, operate, and maintain. It has a few known reliability issues that few reviewers write about and that ended up being why I sold mine.
Is "The Poor Man's GTI" an apted description for the Forte5 SX? Hmmm. Probably. It's not as solidly built. It doesn't do everything quite as well. But so far I haven't ran into anything that I thought it did poorly. This is comparing the king of hot hatches to a relative new comer that could just as well be compared to the Ford Focus SE.
The Forte is somewhat nostalgic of the origin of the hot hatch where the manufacture beefs up the performance without beefing up the price out of the reach of the normal consumer of the original car.

Now if Kia put in its 2.0 T-GDI motor, sorted out steering a slight bit, and maybe got a really snappy tune for the 7 speed DCT Hyundai is putting in the Veloster Turbo, now that would really give the GTI a run for its money.

In the end, as it stands now, if I were to lease I would get a GTI. If I were to purchase and plan to own for 100,000+ I would buy the Forte.
what year was your Volkswagen GTI ?
 

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2012. The previous generation from 2010 or so until 2014 I think.
your gti was pretty new why did you get rid of it ? in my opinion I think the 2015 forte5 sx is a better looking car then a VW GTI, I think the VW GTI looks like a nerdy car, I still wouldn't trade a 2012 VW GTI for a 2015 forte5 sx, the VW GTI is a faster and more fun car to drive, if i had more confidence in my manual transmission driving ability and i wanted a hot hatch i would get a 2015 ford focus st, i have a 2015 forte koup sx the reason i didn't get a 2015 Honda civic si was because it only comes in a manual transmission, I know how to drive a manual transmission but its been years since the last time i drove a stick, i use to mess around driving my uncles 4 speed pick up truck and his 6 speed dirt bike on his property
 

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We traded my gti last fall for a new car for my wife and I took her old car.
she wanted 4 doors and my gti had 2. And also my gti's water pump went out right after the warranty was up. So with no warranty and expensive repairs we decides to get rid of it.
 

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That's understandable. They are expensive for sure to repair. I was looking at the focus st but for the price I wasn't thrilled with it. My choice was between the 5 and a new srt-8 charger and a 05 srt-4 fully built. When I was looking I was working close and then a few days before I got a job where I travel 180 miles a day so needed reliable and mpg. Srt8 would suck on gas and the srt4 would be only driven to play around.
 

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That's understandable. They are expensive for sure to repair. I was looking at the focus st but for the price I wasn't thrilled with it. My choice was between the 5 and a new srt-8 charger and a 05 srt-4 fully built. When I was looking I was working close and then a few days before I got a job where I travel 180 miles a day so needed reliable and mpg. Srt8 would suck on gas and the srt4 would be only driven to play around.
it would be cool if dodge made a dart srt-4 and if chevy made a cruze ss
 

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it would be cool if dodge made a dart srt-4 and if chevy made a cruze ss
Chevy actually has a 2016 chevy ss. I read about it in consumer report. It is a beefed up cruze.

6.2l V8 with 415 hp. 0-60 in 4.6sec. All that for around 45 grand. Way over priced for an American car filled with plastic imo.
 

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Actually the chevy ss is built on a holden platform. Think of it as a newer Pontiac g8 gt.

A chevy cruze hatch with the Malibu 2.0 turbo would be nice. My wife drives a cruze and we like it quite a bit. I would have gotten another if there was a hatch version with a little more powah.
 

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i think popo was saying a Cruze SS.

the Chevy SS is a very nice car, G8's can be had for under 20k now though in really good condition.
 

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I currently have a 2013 VW GTI Drivers Edition and a 2014 Kia Forte Koup SX. Very hard to compare them. Stock to stock the VW go's, stops and turns better then the Kia. The Kia looks better inside and out. The build quality of the VW is hard to beat but the Kia is close. Bang for the buck is Kia all the way. Once more after market parts are out there for the Kia the power and handling will come around I think. It'll still have to work hard to catch a Mk6 or Mk7 with any Bolt ons or tunes though. They get fast if you have the cash!
 

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Dubs are no joke when done right. My Passat 1.8t was fully bolted and tuned and that car flew for a 4 door. Mine was a 98 with the big port head on it. It had a k03s and I was maxing that little turbo out big time lol
 

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Sounds bad a$$! My GTI has the Unitronic air cleaner, bypass valve relocate, GFP +1 valve and have the Unitronic 3" down pipe but no time yet to do the install. maybe after that I'll beg...ask the wife for money to get the Uni stage 2 tune! 8-]
 
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