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This is a discussion on Transmission fluid change within the Kia Forte Turbo Maintenance forums, part of the Kia Forte Turbo Garage category; I never did the oil change on this one... never had a chance. So I did not see the washer. Anyway, if this is a ...

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    I never did the oil change on this one... never had a chance. So I did not see the washer.
    Anyway, if this is a the crush washer type, better replace. From pictures it seems to be a normal type. And truth to be told, even the crush type should not, but most of the time can easily be reused.

    However, one drain/refill is not enough, hence you will be doing it anytime soon again. I'd say 3 times will make a decent change.
    Assuming you can drain about 3.5 liters (total capacity is 7.1 l)....
    1st change makes 50% change
    2nd 75%
    3rd 88%
    4th 94%

    Drain, refill exactly same amount, drive 50-100 miles, drain again...


    Or let them do a flush.
    From my experience in other KIAs - I did flush at 35k miles and it was a good decision. Oil was dirty red almost brownish. After another 30k miles - it was still looking like day after the flush, that is juicy red. I guess all the additives during the building process come out and make the ATF dirtier.
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    While I was doing that I didn't change washer and after a year no leaks.
    After removing splash shield under car and intake box all plugs are easy accessible. You shouldn't have a problem accessing everything without lifting car. I did that this way and car is on lowering springs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PLP View Post
    I never did the oil change on this one... never had a chance. So I did not see the washer.
    Anyway, if this is a the crush washer type, better replace. From pictures it seems to be a normal type. And truth to be told, even the crush type should not, but most of the time can easily be reused.

    However, one drain/refill is not enough, hence you will be doing it anytime soon again. I'd say 3 times will make a decent change.
    Assuming you can drain about 3.5 liters (total capacity is 7.1 l)....
    1st change makes 50% change
    2nd 75%
    3rd 88%
    4th 94%

    Drain, refill exactly same amount, drive 50-100 miles, drain again...


    Or let them do a flush.
    From my experience in other KIAs - I did flush at 35k miles and it was a good decision. Oil was dirty red almost brownish. After another 30k miles - it was still looking like day after the flush, that is juicy red. I guess all the additives during the building process come out and make the ATF dirtier.
    thanks for the info, man. I honestly thought it would need a flush, but the adviser was adamant about not touching it as long as the viscosity was good. I had pegged 3 drain and fills as probably as close as I would get to a complete exchange. Doesn't seem to hard a job, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patryk View Post
    While I was doing that I didn't change washer and after a year no leaks.
    After removing splash shield under car and intake box all plugs are easy accessible. You shouldn't have a problem accessing everything without lifting car. I did that this way and car is on lowering springs.

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    Thank YOU!! Exactly what I wanted to hear. I do need to invest in some ramps or a matching set of 4 jack stands, though.
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    I drive up on 4 2x4's and it's just the right height. IIRC you can see the fill check plug from up top, don't remember if you can reach it from up there though. After doing this twice now I just dump in 4 qts right away and go from there. What trans oil are you using?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SXTurbo View Post
    What trans oil are you using?
    I almost chickened out and got SP fluid from the dealer...but at $9 a quart...nah. I got the Valvoline Max Life 1 Gallon jug from Walmart...$17.99. They didn't have an single quart bottles, so I need to grab one of those from Advanced or someplace...in case it's not 4 quarts on the nose.
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    VML works great in these transmissions. $9.00 for SP4-M? My local dealer wanted almost $14.00 a quart.
    Any mechanical mods planned?
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    Nope...with the exception of an axle-back exhaust, for better sound...no mods planned .
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    Quote Originally Posted by SXTurbo View Post
    $9.00 for SP4-M? My local dealer wanted almost $14.00 a quart.
    Funny thing you mentioned it.
    My dealer wanted about 10 USD a quart if I bought it, BUT they'd charge only 4 USD/quart if I did the flush with them (plus one hour labor).
    At that point it seemed like I could rather do the flush as the cost was almost same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PLP View Post
    Funny thing you mentioned it.
    My dealer wanted about 10 USD a quart if I bought it, BUT they'd charge only 4 USD/quart if I did the flush with them (plus one hour labor).
    At that point it seemed like I could rather do the flush as the cost was almost same.
    MSRP is $8.45....dealers are probably paying like 3 or 4 bucks a quart and marking it up to whatever they see fit. Looks like if you let them do the flush, they were just getting you for the labor and spotting you the fluid. Probably still winning, because I'm sure it doesn't take an hour to do.
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